Do you guys still want Khalistan??

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Re: Do you guys still want Khalistan??

Postby Jagdip Singh Bajwa on Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:43 am

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ankur said
You still don't have any answer for the mass Hindu killings which took place in the 80s in the Punjab !!! THIS QUESTION IS FOR U AS WELL, LIBERTY PENJI ! The way u both replied, it seems u're not aware of any atrocities faced by the Hindus then ! I'm eagerly wating for your reply.......


i think u should be bit more clear on wat ur saying.....when did it happen???? ..... who was involved???? did any jathabandi take resposibility????? and wat proof is presented that jajaroo singhs did this?????????

u know wat lets make this simple.... because i think u r dragging this with the lack of evidence on wat ur tring to discuss
tell me one thing.....R u in favor of khalistain or not????? if no then give me view and ill give u mine why i think sikhs need khailstain.


Guru Nanak devji formed a Sikh panth which went onto be a religion formed from hindus and muslims, called for common kitchen known as Langar, Sikh gurus always called for love and harmony among the mankind breaking the barriers of reilgion, caste, colour. Guru Gobind Singh formed Khalsa and fought the tyrant mughal rulers so that Hindus could be saved from them and they actually did. They even freed hundreds of hindu women from them


ur right ankur about guru nanak dev ji forming a religion..... gurus did call for love and harmony amongs mankind...but they also contradicted wat hindu bramins were doing at that time..do i need to explain in detail.???? and khalsa was made to protect thats right,,,but also to take rights and do the truth full deed...

now were khalistan cames in sikhs are totally betrayed by the hindu, when we ask for rights we r called terrorist
so when this happens we ask 4 khalistain....
and also guru gobind singh says " shastran ka adeen ha raj, raj bena nahi dhamrm chala ha, dharm bena sab dala mala ha"
: raj kara gaya khalsa ape ki reha na koi:

this is a copy of
Post-Independence : Broken Promises & Discrimination
by hindus

In 1950, despite protests by Sikhs, the Indian constitution was adopted, which failes to even recognize the Sikhs as a separate religion or "quam," instead Sikhs were categorised as Hindus, and remained defined as such under Article 25 of the Constitution. The British recognised Sikh marriages under the Anand Karaj Act 1909, however this was replaced by the Hindu Marriage Act 1951. Sikh marriages are no longer recognised. To get a marriage license in "secular India", Sikhs have to sign a form entitled "The Hindu Marriage Act of 1951"

Panjab was a state utterly broken and totally ruined both economically and socially by the Partition with Pakistan. Instead of Government help, the Sikhs began facing economical, social and religious discrimination. Farmers in Panjab paid higher prices for their agriculture inputs, but were offered lower prices for their produce in comparison with neighbouring states. The Central Government assumed sole control over prices and farmers were not allowed to cross state boundaries to get higher prices for their labours in the next state.

Electricity generated by the Hydroelectric Dam Bhakra on the Panjab borders was more costly and provided in smaller amounts in Panjab than in it's neighbouring states.

75% of the water available to Panjab was being diverted to other states.

70% of the revenue raised by Panjabis, for development of Panjab was sent to other states.

The Central Government investment in Panjab was less than 1%, the lowest amongst all the states, however Panjab was the most highly taxed.

Restrictions on the recruitment and promotion of Sikhs in the armed forces were applied. This was a grave insult as Sikhs being 2% of India's population counted for the majority of sacrifices in the freedom struggle against the British.
After Independence Sikhs began facing racial slurs from leaders and the media. When Nehru was reminded about the promises he and Gandhi made to the Sikhs before Independence and all the broken promises since, he stated simple,

"the circumstances have now changed."

"Kya main taqat dushman ke hath main de dun (How can I entrust powwer into the hands of the enemies)." (Jawaharlal Nehru, 1961)

"The Sikhs are lawless people and a menace to the law abiding Hindus... The Government should take strict measures against them." (Jawaharlal Nehru)

In a circular sent to all Deputy Commisioners in Panjab by the Home Minister Vallabhi Patel, there were instructions that Sikhs should be treated like a "criminal tribe." They were urged to be severe so that the Sikhs should wake up to the political realities and recognize "who are the masters and who are the slaves."

In 1956 all states in India were recognized on linguistic and cultural basis, however Panjab was the only state in India left out of this. In addition huge anti-Sikh propoganda compelled virtually all Panjabi speaking Hindus to deny Panjabi as their language and claim allegiance to Hindi, however, their knowledge of Hindi was non-existent.

Furthermore, Sikhs felt the wrath of Hindu nationalism nurtured by M.K. Gandhi. After his death fundamentalist cults and organisations such as RSS and Ayra Smaaj began anti-Sikh propaganda. Sikhs were humiliated throughout national media and literature. Ayra Smaaj and other fundamentalist Hindu organisations published literature, held events and conferences which degraded and insulted the Sikh Gurus. A great effort was made to disolve Sikhism into Hinduism.

In 1966 the Panjabi Suba Movement began, during peaceful agitations throughout the 50's and 60's over 250,000 Sikhs demonstrated peacefully and courted arrest to get their linguistic rights (this is 5times the number of Indians arrested by the British in the whole "Quit India Movement"). Darshan Singh Peruman was martyred whilst on hunger strike in prison. He demanded that Sikhs should be given more rights and more autonomy for Panjab. His martyrdom and noble sacrifice was ignored by the Government.

Two majority Panjabi speaking districts were left out of the 1961 census. The now already shrunken Panjab was further halved to form a Hindi speaking state Haryana in 1966. Furthermore, the small remmant of Panjab was still denied the status of a Panjabi speaking state. Some of the prosperous Panjabi speaking areas including the capital Chandigarh were left out and given to Haryana. This was a direct violation of the Indian Constitution and pre-independence promises. Panjab remains the only state in India to have a shared capital and no control over its natural resources, water and electricity.

do u have a answer to this ???????

in the next post i will explain wat happens to sikhs when they ask for rights
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Re: Do you guys still want Khalistan??

Postby liberty on Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:24 am

.. the singhs we believe to be shaheeds NEVER killed an innocent they took up arms because they had to.. to save honor of their sikh their families..!! your indian govt which you believe to be the innocent one is actually not exactly what you think it is.. it is what killed hindus to get their support and to get people to be against the singhs.. !!
thats the tactic most governments use..!!!

hindus fought for khalistan too back then and believe me there are hindus in punjab that have respect for the jhujaroos.. because they know the truth and they stand up for the truth..!!
if you really had pyar for sikhi you wouldnt be saying all this.. most hindus that claim to have pyar for sikhi or respect always say that it was okay for the government to attack harimandir sahib.. but then why did they attack other gurudwaras.. why was paonta sahib attacked too!! those questions werent answered by ur government.. they didnt take long to hang sukha jinda.. i cant call a country like that my own.. that country doesnt care for punjab.. today punjab is what it is because of that country..!! and its sad to see it like that..
if you and your family is in peace doesnt mean everyone else is in peace too.. There are families that dont have anyone to provide for them because men of that family were killed in a fake encounter.. have you even tried to understand the sikh sentiments..?

WE ARE ASKING FOR KHALISTAN because we see the pain in the eyes of those that actually lost their loved ones who dreamed of that azad country..
if your country can celebrate azadi on the 15th august and not think of taking pakistan outta india sucha bad thing.. then why say that asking for khalistan is a bad thing..

yes i live in amreeka and i love amreeka it bombed hiroshima nagasaki and japs bombed pearl harbor..
americans talk about that.. they put human rights before anything they dont try to justify that it was a right thing to do..
amreekans are afraid to stand up for what they really believe in..

its not about where we humans draw the boundaries really!! its about how freeing ourselves our sikhi our punjabi brothers..
is it more important to get justice or keep ur country together? your country isnt together.. every part of india wants to seperate itself from the centeral government its not just punjabis..
and my south indian neighbor totally understands why we want to be seperated from india..

why say you belong to the country that you have no pyar for? why not fight for the azaadi of the country you feel like you belong to..!!

NOW.. BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT KEEPING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER.. free all my brothers that are in jails.. punish kp gill tytler and others.. and then write back!!(obviously you cant do that.. then why ask us sikhs to change the way we think when you cant even get us rights.. when you cant ever heal the wounds.. )i am just speaking of the wounds i didnt lose a loved one back then... i didnt fight back then.. Respect to those brothers who fought and are still fighting
they abandoned the world and everything else.. they are still in the jails and would fight till their last breathe because their spirit didnt die.. and for them we would always always keep our spirit alive and we would always fight for those who suffered
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Re: Do you guys still want Khalistan??

Postby jugz1 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:57 pm

should sikhs have a Khalistain?

to be fair apne people just think about them selfs so for them to rule there own country would be
this discussion aint going to get no khalistain i think its pointles

indias prime minster claims he is a indian before a sikh wel to be honest he needs to take his pag off then really and become a mona! take singh off his name! seedi gal ya meri!

first off all shoot him off his post and shoot genral brar is say
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